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Do you like me y/n/maybe?

oh that icon is cheating and you know it

Yes, duh, of course. Even if Roxie would be pretty :| about the Dante... thing if she learned the full context for why this stupid bar ban thing is happening.

how does Ramona actually feel about this whole Jennifer thing?

It is not it's just a smiling icon :|

Oh Ramona haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaates it. And is deeply unsettled by the whole thing, far more than she's willing to let on.

While she knew that conflict would inevitably come up, she hoped that it would be later rather than sooner so she and Roxie could sort of...hammer things out in their relationship. Because as it is right now it still feels pretty unsettled. She feels pretty unsettled because she always changes/adjusts to her relationships and she's trying to work her way through things regarding Roxie and everybody else in this whole dilemma (this includes all the people she grew closer to after Scott left and she had that falling out with Roxie). It doesn't help that the previous argument where they almost stopped interacting for good is pretty fresh in her mind, so she's not totally confident it won't end that way again.

As for the Jennifer thing itself, it doesn't help that she hates Jennifer personally, for reasons both understandable and a little bit selfish that sort of feed off each other in a weird clusterfuck of resentment. Roxie's acceptance of Jennifer being a serial killer is the thing that continues to make Ramona the most uncomfortable, way more than the whole...league trying to kill her boyfriend. Mostly because of blame, because she sort of feels like she did hurt her exes to warrant some spite, but she knows Katou didn't deserve to get eaten. And Roxie even suggesting he did or defending Jennifer on this is the one line where Ramona won't abide crossing, because no. Dealbreaker. Although Katou not being here anymore makes it easier for her to bend and tolerate Roxie's continued friendship with Jennifer, along with no resurgence of her friends getting threatened.

Otherwise, the stuff such as her just not liking Jennifer's face, is something she would chalk up to stupid issues and avoid. But she's jealous and, again, is bolstered by some very good reasons not to even bother trying to feel differently. This plus the anticipation of Jennifer trying to get her banned (which is HER FAULT don't :| at me for something YOUR ASSHOLE FRIEND IS INSTIGATING) makes her want to do petty sniping back, but she knows it would just make things worse. So she's mostly trying to emotionally distance herself from everything, only deal with Roxie's feelings as it comes up, and desperately wish for Wallace Wells to show up so she can just have catty bitching sessions with him about it.

As for their talk about the whole thing? She does feel slightly empathetic for Jennifer in this one incident (which would quickly evaporate once being reintroduced to Jennifer herself), sort of the same way she can feel bad that Envy Adams was cheated on even as she loathes her completely. Mostly, she wants things to be okay with Roxie, although she really just wishes that it would end with Jennifer getting dumped in the Antarctic and Roxie getting over it and getting friends who aren't absolutely awful. The chances of that are slim so right now she's hoping Jennifer grows into whatever Roxie said was good about her and she can go back to pretending she doesn't exist.

And she was honest when she said she trusted Roxie just not...completely honest. She believes that Roxie won't try to betray her, but that doesn't mean she doesn't think she will be completely successful in mitigating a compromise between Jennifer's issues and hers. Especially at her expense. On the other hand, she knows the only way she's going to ever get Roxie's trust back is if she offers hers up. And if it fails and everything goes wrong, well, that's tit for tat. She probably deserves it somehow. Mostly she's keeping that fatalism to herself though, not even mentioning it to people who would be sympathetic because that would be admitting it.

Summation: the Jennifer thing makes her feel insecure in her relationship, makes her dislike herself more as a person because of all the negative feelings she brings up regarding her guilt and her utter loathing of Jennifer, and even though she is honestly trying to be supportive she's also closing herself off emotionally in preparation for defcon four.

...so how does Roxie feel about the whole thing then? :|a

Oh god. Roxie feels... I think if I could describe her feelings in one sentence, it would be "If I close my eyes really hard there's no way these plates I'm spinning could break, right?"

Despite the fact that Roxie is a cynic and a pessimist, she really really really wants to believe that she can make this work. She wants to believe that Ramona is okay with this and that Jennifer can not be awful about things and that she can not suck at talking to people well enough to patch things up successfully. And that's... kind of what she's focusing on right now. I guess ultimately the way Roxie feels is that if Jennifer ultimately acts too awful for too long about it, then fuck it, that's it, time to move on. But... I don't know what that breaking point is? The bar ban is going to piss her off quite a bit, I haven't decided if it's enough for her to be like "okay fine you can punch her" or not and I probably won't know that until that bridge is crossed.

So like... it's hard to really go into at the same depth you did because Roxie really is just very straightforward and driven and "I'M GOING TO TRY MY HARDEST" because she's so sick of hurting people and she's so sick of always feeling like she fucked up, so she has to try and make it right and believe in herself that she can make it right. And that might... blind her a bit for a while if things are bad, but if it becomes clear enough to her that this is a dead end and all she's going to accomplish is hurting Ramona again then she'll drop it because the absolute last thing she ever wants to do again is really hurt Ramona. So. Yeah. TO BE CONTINUED. Sob.

How is Azula doing with the hypothetical Socializing Lessons that we've been too lazy to thread yet?

AWFUL mostly because I fail at really getting her out and tagging the Korra cast for CR which is, let's face it, the only reason she's trying this again. So far she's decided to mitigate the failure at social niceties with things she's good at, like working more on hand-to-hand stuff to hide her firebending should it come up. I guess Ty Lee gets plenty of time for topping her in that respect. She's also being extra solitary because it's July and there are new people in the cabin and :| basically more intense than she's been in a long while but also not 100% okay because STUFF IS GOING ON WHAT IS GOING ON I AM GOING TO FIND OUT OR BURN THINGS and maybe she's more accepting of doing downtime things like meditating with Ty Lee in order to curb that. There really needs to be some mention of curbing that.

Sooooo...on a scale of one to ten how bad will Ty Lee react should canon events come out from the Korra cast?

Iiiii want to say a 7 at bare minimum? I think it would mostly make her pretty sad and gloomy for a while and she'd have to figure out how to make things better and maybe if there's a good exit strategy because fuck, that is Bad End. Also it would make her really want Mai to show up in camp again so there's someone for her to talk to and figure out how to make things work.

Same question but for Azula!

Until I get Joss'd by "The Search" I'm going to say that Azula finding out she lost is deep in Won't Take It Well territory of ten and beyond. Probably stuff like finale-esque broken forever because being Fire Lord is her reason to exist right now. It's all she has and she can't even fathom how she would lose, so she'd basically drive herself crazy trying to out maneuver the future and see nothing left to her because if I can't be the world's greatest Fire Lord what can I be, I'm worthless and a monster that nobody loves :(

Dammit Azula I love you :|

Here's hoping that the post-canon comics... make things better... sob. This isn't going to work out well.

I apologize in advance if she goes utterly crazy and tries to pick suicidal fights with any Avatars.

But good news! As long as she doesn't find out she went off the deep end because she was betrayed by her best friends she can...maybe cope. I still think she's so defined by her dad's ambition and...I can try to find more CR...that's high maintenance but, hey, you ever want an angsty thread it's guaranteed in supply.

This is why I support dumb antic threads for both relationships. AT LEAST RAMONA ISN'T CRAZY...

Roxie and the three she threads with! REVERSE ME.

I don't know if a ton needs to be said re: Roxie and Wendy that's new? Wendy is Roxie's... only sane, responsible adult friend (Ramona doesn't count anymore because girlfriend) and this makes her an invaluable resource for advice and so on! But Roxie's knowledge that Wendy is this for a lot of people basically meant that she decided against talking about the Jennifer situation with her because she thinks Wendy's put up with enough. Luckily, Roxie talked things out with Ramona so things are... not horrible right now? They will probably get horrible again, and then Roxie will have to talk to Wendy. But for now, whatever, we can be chill and talk about paintings and whatnot.

Roxie thinks Mindy is a pretty cool kid. She has her head on straight and isn't annoying about things like Roxie perceives most kids as being, and the whole killing people thing is fine as long as it's not killing people for no reason whatsoever. She can't really teach Mindy any of those innately ninja tricks like teleporting and substitution and shit because I think under Scott Pilgrim world logic those are just class skills, but she'd definitely be willing to spar a little.

Roxie thinks Britta is incredibly ridiculous and the dumb sort of idealistic but being a target of ridicule and eyerolling doesn't... mean actual dislike per se? It just means that Roxie likes to mock her. If Britta can put up with that mockery then hey, they'll probably keep talking! And that will probably lead to Roxie seeing Britta as a person and not as a concept of a person (because that... is probably how Roxie deals with most people because she doesn't really want to form attachments at all). So that's... good? Probably???

You mentioned in your meme that stuff is on Wendy's mind! What's going on with her?

Mostly she's preoccupied with the fact that her boss left! She's not devastated or anything, but she's still pretty unhappy with the whole situation. She was really bummed out when Lacey left, and this time there's the added pressure of having to deal with things like world devourers and random camp shenanigans on her own again. Wendy didn't go to her boss for a lot, but it was nice having him around in case of weird and dangerous stuff she couldn't deal with on her own. But now her security blanket is gone again and she's depressed and fidgety. The subconscious stuff also weirded her out, and all her friends are idiots (but that's... not new....). SO OVERALL she's not in a great place, and is probably obviously having issues focus on things and being more cynical than usual.

What's Roxie doing art wise these days?

Up until the Jennifer stuff I think Roxie was pretty emotionally content thanks to dating Ramona, and so she's just sort of been chilling and doing stuff like still-life to keep her technical abilities sharp. Now that she has that drama occupying some of her headspace she's veered into expressionism, both abstract and the regular kind. Very intense, vivid stuff that keeps her up until 3am at the earliest, probably decidedly later than that. She's probably playing albums like White Light/White Heat and stuff by Joy Division and Kraftwerk too. FUN TIMES.

If/when Britta finds out that Roxie's a lesbian is she going to go all Early 21st Century Romanticism about it?

LITTLE BIT. She'll be delighted and make more of an effort to talk to Roxie, because Britta is the actual worst.

I THINK WE COVERED EVERYTHING, just wanted to say hi

HI <3

I liked the timing of Roxie telling Ramona that's it's unacceptable to punch Jennifer in the face or somesuch and then Jennifer getting Ramona banned from the bar in another thread

Edited 2012-07-09 16:45 (UTC)

I'M A MATURE ADULT ♥

I'LL MATURE YOUR STUPID FACE!!

(But really I have been stalking all the fallout threads and facepalming. Good show.)

God, I swear, someone's gonna be maturing someone's stupid face by the time this all ends.

(I HAVE, TOO... ♥)